In this episode, we welcome Sheriff Jerry Clayton of the Washtenaw County Sheriff’s Department in Michigan, serving over 358,000 residents. A veteran in public safety, Sheriff Clayton is in his fourth term with over 30 years of diversified experience. Our conversation delves into his journey from Corrections Officer to Sheriff, highlighting his role in enhancing law enforcement training nationwide. Sheriff Clayton, an Eastern Michigan University alum, and seasoned law enforcement trainer, shares his insights on addressing mental and behavioral health challenges faced by frontline officers. We explore Washtenaw County’s strategies for staff well-being, and Sheriff Clayton’s advice for leaders on fostering a supportive work environment. This episode offers a deep dive into the personal and professional commitments of a dedicated public servant.

The Minds on the Frontline Podcast is brought to you by the Wayne State University Frontline Strong Together Program. The Minds on Frontline Podcast is designed to inform, educate, and entertain first responders, their families, and the public regarding the realities of frontline work-related mental health challenges.

In this episode, we welcome Aileen Pettinger and Manisha Leary to the show. Aileen retired as a Captain from the Saginaw Fire Department and now serves as the Region 2 Training Chief for the Michigan Bureau of Fire Services. In addition, Aileen is an active Peer Support Team Member with the Mid-Michigan Peer Support Team, which is a part of the growing network of peer support teams collaborating with the FST5 Program. Manisha Leary is the FST5 Program Manager and a therapist with a focus on trauma.

In the life of a frontline worker, encounters with critical emergencies are a daily reality. These events are rare but carry immense risk, often leaving a lasting impact on the mental and behavioral health of those who serve on the front lines. Imagine being a firefighter trapped inside a structure fire. Or a police officer in a high-stakes confrontation. Or an EMS provider attacked by a patient in the back of a moving ambulance. Aileen is fortunate to survive two separate potentially life-threatening events and she’s here to talk about what it was like to prepare for and overcome the weight of those incidents.

In addition, Aileen will shed light on a pivotal transition for frontline workers: retirement. This significant life change, while a mark of successful service, comes with its own set of stresses and adjustments. Drawing from her own experience as a successful retiree, Aileen offers guidance to peers on navigating this transition gracefully, ensuring that the next chapter post-service is as fulfilling as the career that preceded it.

The Minds on the Frontline Podcast is brought to you by the Wayne State University Frontline Strong Together Program. The Minds on Frontline Podcast is designed to inform, educate, and entertain first responders, their families, and the public regarding the realities of frontline work-related mental health challenges.

In this episode, we welcome Kristie Buruse and Susan Andary who are the CISM Coordinators for the Central Upper Peninsula CISM Team. Kristie Buruse is a retired dispatcher and former firefighter, and paramedic. Susan Andary is an Advanced EMT with UP Health Systems in Marquette, Michigan. As residents, frontline workers, and Peer Support team members in Michigan’s Upper Peninsula, Kristie and Susan know firsthand about living and working in rural America. During this episode, our guests will discuss the challenges of providing Peer Support and CISM to frontline workers in rural communities.

The Minds on the Frontline Podcast is brought to you by the Wayne State University Frontline Strong Together Program. The Minds on Frontline Podcast is designed to inform, educate, and entertain first responders, their families, and the public regarding the realities of frontline work-related mental health challenges.

WARNING: This episode discusses the sensitive and potentially triggering topic of suicide. Listener discretion is advised.

In this episode, we welcome Ashley Freeman, an EMT who is also working towards her master’s degree in social work. Once she completes her program, Ashley plans on becoming a therapist who works specifically with frontline workers. Although she is currently living a healthy and happy life with a bright future, things were not always so positive for her. Ashley always looked up to her father, Eric, a dedicated paramedic, and aspired to follow in his footsteps. As a child, Ashely’s dream was to one day become an EMT and work with her dad on the road. However, life took a tragic turn when her father died by suicide in 2013. This profound loss would take years to overcome. As a testament to her resilience, Ashley overcame her grief and achieved her EMT license in 2017. During her training, she found a mentor in Robert, her father’s best friend and fellow paramedic. Robert’s support was a comforting reminder of her father’s legacy and pride in her strength and accomplishments. Yet, in a heartbreaking repetition of history, Robert too passed away by suicide shortly after Ashley completed her training. Despite these painful losses, Ashley continues to honor the memory of both her father and his best friend through her commitment as an EMT and future therapist for frontline workers. During this episode, Ashley will tell her story of tragedy and eventual triumph. Thank you, Ashley, for coming on the show and having the strength and bravery to tell your story.

The goal of this episode is to continue to openly discuss suicide in the frontline community so that we can continue to break through the stigma and other barriers that prevent too many of our brothers and sisters from seeking the help that they need.

The Minds on the Frontline Podcast is brought to you by the Wayne State University Frontline Strong Together Program. The Minds on Frontline Podcast is designed to inform, educate, and entertain first responders, their families, and the public regarding the realities of frontline work-related mental health challenges.

In this episode, we welcome back Dr. Ali Amirsadri. Dr. A is the Medical Director of the FST5 Program, and he brings a wealth of knowledge from his role at Wayne State University’s Department of Psychiatry and as an Associate Chair for Clinical Services. We are also joined by Dr. Andrew King, whose extensive credentials speak volumes about his expertise in the field of toxicology, emergency medicine, and substance use disorder. Dr. King is an Associate Professor of Emergency Medicine and medical toxicology at Wayne State University located in Detroit, Michigan. He also serves as the Medical Director for the Tolan Park Opiate Treatment Program at Wayne Health, providing vital treatment options for those grappling with opioid addiction. His role as an In-Patient Addiction Medicine Service Provider at DMC Receiving Hospital Central Campus further underscores his commitment to combating substance use disorders head-on. Additionally, as the Medical Director for the Michigan Poison & Drug Information Center, Dr. King is at the forefront of addressing the immediate challenges posed by exposure to toxic chemicals and substances.

Dr. King and Dr. A are here to shed light on Substance Use Disorder, or SUD. Beyond the casual use of substances like a glass of wine or a social drink, SUD represents a significant shift. It’s marked by an escalation in use that begins to affect every facet of life—from work and school to personal relationships. It’s important to keep in mind that SUD isn’t just about alcohol. It’s about the excessive use of substances, including cannabis, sedatives, hypnotics, anxiolytics, inhalants, opioids, hallucinogens, stimulants, or any other substance that leads to academic, social, and occupational impairment.

During this episode, we’ll take a deep dive into how SUD can take hold, its impact on control over use, and the resulting physical, psychological, and social consequences. Dr. King and Dr. A will guide us through the intricacies of these disorders, their effects, and the importance of recognizing the signs.

The Minds on the Frontline Podcast is brought to you by the Wayne State University Frontline Strong Together Program. The Minds on Frontline Podcast is designed to inform, educate, and entertain first responders, their families, and the public regarding the realities of frontline work-related mental health challenges.

Host – Geoff Lassers (Lassers126@gmail.com), Firefighter/paramedic, West Bloomfield FD

Host – Mike Mattern (michaelmattern229@gmail.com), Firefighter/paramedic, Dearborn

In this episode, we welcome Scott Taylor, a police officer, and Peer Support Member with the City of Warren Police Department. In addition, Scott is the State of Michigan Officer Wellness liaison to the National Fraternal Order of Police, or FOP. The FOP is the world’s largest organization of sworn law enforcement officers, with more than 367,000 members.

During his 25+ year career, Scott Taylor has worked as a Patrol Officer, a School Resource Officer, a Field Training Officer, a Special Operation Unit member, a Crime Scene Technician, and served on the FBI Violent Crimes Task Force. Scott is proud of all the positions he has served as a law enforcement officer for nearly three decades. But in his words, providing peer support for his fellow police officers is the most important and impactful job he’s ever had.

In this episode, Scott joins Mike, Manisha, and I to discuss the importance of the mental and behavioral health of frontline workers. The Minds on the Frontline Podcast is brought to you by the Wayne State University Frontline Strong Together Program. The Minds on Frontline Podcast is designed to inform, educate, and entertain first responders, their families, and the public regarding the realities of frontline work-related mental health challenges.

Host – Geoff Lassers (Lassers126@gmail.com), Firefighter/paramedic, West Bloomfield FD

Host – Mike Mattern (michaelmattern229@gmail.com), Firefighter/paramedic, Dearborn

FD Guest – Manisha Leary LMSW (mleary@med.wayne.edu) Frontline Strong Together (FST5) Program Manager

In this episode, we welcome back Manisha Leary who is the manager of the FST5 Program, as well as a trained psychotherapist with a focus on trauma. During this episode Mike and Manisha will describe the intent, purpose, and functions of frontline Peer Support Teams. They’ll also describe how first responders can access a team for help. Finally, Mike and Manisha will discuss the process to start and maintain a frontline Peer Support Team.

The Minds on the Frontline Podcast is brought to you by the Wayne State University Frontline Strong Together Program. The Minds on Frontline Podcast is designed to inform, educate, and entertain first responders, their families, and the public regarding the realities of frontline work-related mental health challenges.

Host – Geoff Lassers (Lassers126@gmail.com), Firefighter/paramedic, West Bloomfield FD Host – Mike Mattern (michaelmattern229@gmail.com), Firefighter/paramedic, Dearborn FD Guest – Manisha Leary LMSW (mleary@med.wayne.edu) Frontline Strong Together (FST5) Program Manager

In this episode, we welcome Audra and Chelsi from the Dear Chiefs Podcast. Once upon a time in the middle of a pandemic, two fire wives and complete strangers met on the internet and decided to start a podcast for first responders and their families. Three years later the Dear Chiefs podcast is still running strong with a weekly show and tons of great social media content. Through their podcast, Audra, and Chelsi hope to help families understand, support, and build stronger relationships with their first responders, while also finding community and appreciation for themselves. We are also joined by Amy Ramsden, a nurse, and the wife of a law enforcement officer.

All three guests have been married to and built families with first responders. During this episode, they’ll lean on their experiences to discuss the hurdles and challenges frontline workers and their families may encounter, as well as how they can manage or avoid them.

The Minds on the Frontline Podcast is brought to you by the Wayne State University Frontline Strong Together Program. The Minds on Frontline Podcast is designed to inform, educate, and entertain first responders, their families, and the public regarding the realities of frontline work-related mental health challenges.

In this episode, we welcome back Manisha Leary and introduce you to Michele Potter. Manisha Leary is a trained psychotherapist with a focus on trauma. Manisha is also the Manager of the FST5 Program. Michele Potter is a clinical therapist and owner of MRP Counseling in Plymouth, Michigan. Michele is also the Clinical Director for the Dearborn Fire Department Peer Support Team. Manisha and Michele are both culturally competent clinicians that each have a great deal of experience working with frontline workers. During this episode, Manisha and Michele will help us express what it means for a clinician to be culturally competent and why it matters.

The Minds on the Frontline Podcast brought to you by the Wayne State University Frontline Strong Together Program. The Minds on Frontline Podcast is designed to inform, educate, and entertain first responders, their families, and the public regarding the realities of frontline work-related mental health challenges.

Host – Geoff Lassers (Lassers126@gmail.com), Firefighter/paramedic, West Bloomfield FD

Host – Mike Mattern (michaelmattern229@gmail.com), Firefighter/paramedic, Dearborn

FD Guest – Manisha Leary, LMSW (mleary@med.wayne.edu), Program Manager, Frontline Strong Together 5 Program.

Guest – Michele Potter, LMSW (michele.cote.potter@gmail.com), Owner/Clinician, MRP Counseling LLC.

The Minds on the Frontline Podcast brought to you by the Wayne State University Frontline Strong Together Program. The Minds on Frontline Podcast is designed to inform, educate, and entertain first responders, their families, and the public regarding the realities of frontline work-related mental health challenges.

In this episode, we welcome back Dr. Ali Amisadri and Manisha Leary. Dr. Ali Amirsadri is the Associate Department Chair of Psychiatry and Behavioral Neurosciences Services at Wayne State University School of Medicine located in Detroit, Michigan. Manisha Leary is a trained psychotherapist with a focus on trauma. Manisha is also the Manager of the FST5 Program. Dr. A and Manisha have a long history and vast experience in the world of mental and behavioral health. This episode covers a heavy topic, suicide in the frontline community. Specifically, we discuss suicidal thoughts and ideation. We also talk about what to look for if you think someone you know or work with may be suicidal, as well as how to approach that person and have that hard conversation.

Host – Geoff Lassers (Lassers126@gmail.com), Firefighter/paramedic, West Bloomfield FD

Host – Mike Mattern (michaelmattern229@gmail.com), Firefighter/paramedic, Dearborn

FD Guest – Manisha Leary LMSW (mleary@med.wayne.edu) Frontline Strong Together

(FST5) Program Manager Guest – Ali Amirsadri MD (aamirsad@med.wayne.edu) Chief Medical Officer for the Department of Psychiatry & Associate Chair for Clinical Services, Wayne State University &Associate Professor at Wayne State University School of Medicine

The Minds on the Frontline Podcast brought to you by the Wayne State University Frontline Strong Together Program. The Minds on Frontline Podcast is designed to inform, educate, and entertain first responders, their families, and the public regarding the realities of frontline work-related mental health challenges.  

In this episode, we welcome Mike Milner and Ron Curaba. Mike Milner is a well-known retired firefighter from the FDNY that spent many years on the highly respected Rescue 4. Since retirement, Mike has become a mental health advocate for all first responders, and he spends a lot of time sharing his experiences and how he was able to get help when he needed it most. Ron Curaba is also retired from the FDNY and finished his career as a LT on 107 Truck. Ron is currently Peer Support Team Member with the FDNY Clinical Service Unit (CSU) where he works with firefighters that need help with their mental health. Both Mike and Ron have been featured on the ‘Gettin Salty Podcast.’  

Host – Geoff Lassers (Lassers126@gmail.com), Firefighter/paramedic, West Bloomfield FD   Host – Mike Mattern (michaelmattern229@gmail.com), Firefighter/paramedic, Dearborn FD   Guest – Mike Milner, FDNY – Retired, Mental health advocate   Guest – Ron Curaba, FDNY – Retired, FDNY Clinical Services Unit (CSU) Peer Support Team Member

The Minds on the Frontline Podcast brought to you by the Wayne State University Frontline Strong Together Program. The Minds on Frontline Podcast is designed to inform, educate, and entertain first responders, their families, and the public regarding the realities of frontline work-related mental health challenges.

In this episode, we welcome James Wade and Don Gephart. James is a police officer with the Dearborn Police Department, as well as a member of his departments peer support team. Don Gephart is a dispatcher for Dearborn Police and Fire. James and Don were invited to the show to have a real, honest, and raw conversation about the realities of the stress that frontline workers face.

During this episode, we talk about PTSD and the impact on first responders. Then, we talk about the value of culturally competent clinicians that understand the job. Finally, we close out the conversation by discussing the value of normalizing the impact of trauma on frontline workers and letting our colleagues know that “it’s ok that it’s not ok,” and treatment is available.

Host – Geoff Lassers (Lassers126@gmail.com), Firefighter/paramedic, West Bloomfield FD Host – Mike Mattern (michaelmattern229@gmail.com), Firefighter/paramedic, Dearborn FD Guest – James Wade (JVWade2009@gmail.com), Dearborn Police Department Guest – Don Gephart (Geppyfam1185@outlook.com), Dearborn Fire and Police Dispatch

In this episode, we will introduce you Dr. Arash Javanbakht, who is an Associate Professor in the Department of Psychiatry and Behavioral Neurosciences at Wayne State University School of Medicine. In addition, Dr. Arash is the Director of Stress, Trauma, and Anxiety Research Clinic, or STARC. Dr. Javanbakht has vast experience studying and treating people with PTSD, as well as many other mental and behavioral health disorders. In addition, he has been one of the driving forces behind the frontline strong together five program, or FST5.

The Minds on the Frontline Podcast brought to you by the Wayne State University Frontline Strong Together Program. The Minds on Frontline Podcast is designed to inform, educate, and entertain first responders, their families, and the public regarding the realities of frontline work-related mental health challenges.

Host – Geoff Lassers (Lassers126@gmail.com), Firefighter/paramedic, West Bloomfield FD

Host – Mike Mattern (michaelmattern229@gmail.com), Firefighter/paramedic, Dearborn

FD Guest – Manisha Leary, LMSW (mleary@med.wayne.edu) Frontline Strong Together

(FST5) Program Manager Guest – Arash Javanbakht, MD (ajavanba@med.wayne.edu), Associate Professor, Wayne State University School of Medicine. Director of Stress, Trauma, and Anxiety Research Clinic (STARC).

The Minds on the Frontline Podcast brought to you by the Wayne State University Frontline Strong Together Program. The Minds on Frontline Podcast is designed to inform, educate, and entertain first responders, their families, and the public regarding the realities of frontline work-related mental health challenges. In this episode, Dr. A will Describe how our developmental experiences determine how we function socially, professionally, and personally throughout our lives. Then, doc will help us appreciate the spectrum of emotions and reactions that can manifest from a perceived stress.

During this episode, Dr. A will Describe how our developmental experiences determine how we function socially, professionally, and personally throughout our lives. Then, doc will help us appreciate the spectrum of emotions and reactions that can manifest from a perceived stress.

Host – Geoff Lassers (Lassers126@gmail.com), Firefighter/paramedic, West Bloomfield FD

Host – Mike Mattern (michaelmattern229@gmail.com), Firefighter/paramedic, Dearborn

FD Guest – Manisha Leary LMSW (mleary@med.wayne.edu) Frontline Strong Together

(FST5) Program Manager Guest – Ali Amirsadri MD (aamirsad@med.wayne.edu) Chief Medical Officer for the Department of Psychiatry & Associate Chair for Clinical Services, Wayne State University &Associate Professor at Wayne State University School of Medicine

The Minds on the Frontline Podcast brought to you by the Wayne State University Frontline Strong Together Program. The Minds on Frontline Podcast is designed to inform, educate, and entertain first responders, their families, and the public regarding the realities of frontline work-related mental health challenges.

In this episode, we will introduce you to Lyf Johnson and Pam Dooley. Lyf is a 911 dispatcher with Dearborn Police and Fire and Pam is a dispatcher for the Oakland County Sherriff Department. As long-time dispatchers, Lyf and Pam are aware of the work-related challenges faced by their fellow first responders. Unfortunately, it is common for frontline workers to not get the care that they need to prevent or alleviate stress, PSTD, anxiety, depression, or mental and behavioral health challenges.

During this episode, we have an open and honest dialogue about various barriers that prevent first responders from getting the help that they need. Specifically, in this episode we will focus on stigma, avoidance, repercussions, as well as the cost and availability of care.

Frontline Strong Together, or FST5, provides streamlined access to behavioral health resources, as well as increased access to crisis services to Michigan’s front line five, which includes all professional, part-time, and volunteer firefighters, EMS, law enforcement, corrections officers, and 911 dispatchers. The Michigan Crisis and Access Line, or MiCAL, serves as the central call center for the FST5 Program.

NEED HELP NOW? If you are experiencing any crisis – work related, substance abuse, depression, relationships, financial, or any other, reach out by calling 1-833-34-STRONG.

Hosts:

Geoff Lassers (Lassers126@gmail.com), Firefighter/paramedic, West Bloomfield FD

Mike Mattern (michaelmattern229@gmail.com), Firefighter/paramedic, Dearborn FD

Guests:

Lyf Johnson, Dearborn Police and Fire Dispatch

Pam Dooley, Oakland County Sheriff Dispatch

The Minds on the Frontline Podcast brought to you by the Wayne State University Frontline Strong Together Program in collaboration with the Michigan Crisis and Access Line. In this first episode, we will introduce you to Manisha Leary, the FST5 Program Manager who oversees operations of the program. In addition, we’re joined by Jim Peyton who is the MiCAL administrator who oversees the central call center for the FST5 Program. During this episode, our guests will provide an overview of the Front Line Strong Together 5 (FST5) Program. In addition, Jim and Manisha will describe what first responders can expect when contacting FST5 for help.

Frontline Strong Together, or FST5, provides streamlined access to behavioral health resources, as well as increased access to crisis services to Michigan’s front line five, which includes all professional, part-time, and volunteer firefighters, EMS, law enforcement, corrections officers, and 911 dispatchers. The Michigan Crisis and Access Line, or MiCAL, serves as the central call center for the FST5 Program.

NEED HELP NOW? If you are experiencing any crisis – work related, substance abuse, depression, relationships, financial, or any other, reach out by calling 1-833-34-STRONG or go to www.FST5.org for more information.

Host – Geoff Lassers (Lassers126@gmail.com), Firefighter/paramedic, West Bloomfield FD Host – Mike Mattern (michaelmattern229@gmail.com), Firefighter/paramedic, Dearborn FD Guest – Manisha Leary (mleary@med.wayne.edu), LMSW, Frontline Strong Together (FST5), Program Manager Guest – Jim Peyton (JPeyton@commongroundhelps.org), Paramedic, MiCAL Strong Administrator